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Poster: grendelschoice Date: Nov 7, 2008 3:15am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: No need to apologize...beats sports!

Well, Earl, I actually think we're getting somewhere.

Here's the deal: I'm not an economist, and even the "experts" get it wrong more often than not (see: Greenspan, Alan).

But I think I did make clear my general feeling on economic philosophy, which is that I do NOT favor Reagen-styled "trickle down" because it assumes that helping the rich get richer (i.e. capital gains tax cuts, corporate welfare, de-regulation so widespread it fosters the kind of culture that allows golden parachutes for CEO's who run their companies into the ground) will translate into helping folks who drag their asses out of bed at 4am to drive buses or work in the ER, what have you, and are expected to put their kids thru college on a $40,000 a year salary.

Those folks are NOT going to get better economically under "trickle down" b/c the rich have a way of--instead of wanting to share that good fortune (i mean fortune in the literal sense, not luck, though some, like Donald Trump, who start life w.a $30 Million inheritance are just that)--INCREASING their own. They have 2 houses? They want 3. They took 4 vacations to the Alps to go skiing last year? Now they want to add a 5th to Fiji for a warm weather break. There is no requirement for them to share their wealth (nor SHOULD there be) so telling people that giving them tax breaks b/c eventually that money will help the middle class is bullshit.

Now, I KNOW you hate looking backwards, but I'm sorry, you sometimes HAVE TO if you;re to prove your point...and the FACT is that in the past 8 years of right wing, conservative control, wages for the middle class have fallen, it's more prohibitive than EVER for middle class people to afford a decent college education for their kids, and the pay gap between the uber-rich and the poor has never been wider. So all I'm saying is: I don't know if Obama can change all that, but why would you hold it against me (or anyone) who looks at what WAS there, hear McCain say he wants to make the (ridiculous) Bush tax cuts permanent, and give NO signs he's about to change anything regarding the way things were done over those 8 years (and admitted publicly that economics is not his strong point), and decide to vote for the other guy????

Seems to me as well that since there's only 2 things that are guaranteed in this world--death and taxes--it's OK to at least TRY shifting a greater share of the tax burden to people making more than $180,000 a year...just to see if giving a break for a change to those folks who are pulling in $50,000 a year may help them get a leg up. Hey, that's just me...definition of a bleeding heart I guess. But I'm willing to try it, and i'm curious to see if it works. The middle class, such as it is, is shrinking. And in the state where I live, the local homeless shelters have had to turn away people because now a lot of folks who have jobs, and kids, and considered themselves middle class, are now finding themselves unable to stay in their homes or even afford rent. That's heartbreaking no matter what your political affiliation is, and I'm willing to give Obama-nomics (I just made that up!) a fair shake.

I'll tell you, though...he's no messiah, and if you expect him to be, you;ll be sadly disappointed.

Oh, and one final thing: What you said about Jerry, re: 1994, is exactly right. I can admit that loving the guy as much as I do and always will for the joy he brought me over the years. By '94 he was just a shell of his former self and it was sad.

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Poster: Earl B. Powell Date: Nov 7, 2008 5:00am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: No need to apologize...beats sports!

Nuff said. Almost like a unilateral accord. I knew we could do it. Both of us are guys working hard to make a go of it, and have a different view in the way government should play a role in our lives. Ultimately, I've never had a change in administration either make me rich or throw me under the bus. Then again, I have always been operating with a little more headroom in the past.

Peace out. Really.

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Poster: grendelschoice Date: Nov 7, 2008 6:26am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: No need to apologize...beats sports!

Same to you, brother.